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Dear friends,

I know I've been quiet lately, not sharing all the divine vibrations, freak-an-sees that I've been keyboardologizing...

This is played on my PSR-510 Clavinet sound, hey, it is very close to harpsichord which all the classical composers would have used so it isn't that much out of traditional classical instrumentation!. I then plugged the PSR out into the computer input and used SOUNDRECORDER.COM and amazingly it saves in many mp3 formats! I hope it plays on YOUR computer... (if not let me know! tanx) Violin

First I'll "Add Attachment" to upload it, then modify my post and make it background sound - play automatically! You can of course download it (and show how aweful I sound...) you can also "VIEW SOURCE" and see how to make your own bgsound tag and make other people listen to you! Hey, this is just a test, you can get away with murder in a test - I don't even have to rely on "poetic license" or anything (I'm saving that for when I really make a mess.. he he.. Aaah RaisedBrows Kick)

Love and light being, Teo Do (Re, Mi, Fa, Soul...) Hula CoolDance Hula Ladysman Doggy Doggy

Have the heart of a gypsy, and the dedication of a soldier -Beethoven in Beethoven Lives Upstairs


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Amazing dear Teo! This is a new sound, a new Teo-Do sound!

Whacha tinx? I think you have just waken up Schubert from his slumber ... "Was ist los? What's happening down there, I hear my melody played with a new touch of liveliness, of rhythm ..."

Well it's Teo-Do's creativity!


Yes, it plays automatically when opening the thread, also.

Love and Joy,
Margherita 2Hearts

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Here is another German Dance by Franz Schubert. Played by Peter Serkin. From the CD insert:
No composer - not even Mozart - produced such a bewildering abundance of brilliant music in so short a span of time as Franz Schubert. In his brief lifetime of 31 years he produced many hundreds of works, including the nearly 600 songs which have assured him the undisputed place of master of the lied.

Since it is generall agreed that Schubert was at his best in the smaller forms, there is no very good reason why his innumerable short piano pieces should be less popular and well-regarded than his songs, except that here a large number of brief keyboard lyrics by other composers vie for our attention. The programmatic pieces of Schumann, the highly colored Preludes and Nocturnes of Chopin, the experimental Bagatelles of Beethoven, join with the pieces by Mendelssohn and Brahms in tending to overshadow the deceptively simply Schubert pieces.

Of those piano solo works which can properly be classified as "dances for piano," Schubert wrote 450; and even these survivors probably represent but a portion of the actual number he improvised at countless evening parties. The Deutsch catalog lists more than 60 known sets of these dances, up to as many as 36 in one set.

All of the popular dances of the era are represented in Schubert's output, principally the waltz, which accounts for over 130 of the composer's published works. Most of the earlier ones adhere to the standard repeated eight-bar phrases, although later waltzes display twelve- and sixteen-bar phrases. A majority of them are less than one minute long, yet in their tiny compass they exhibit the widest rage of character and mood, from delicate tenderness to forceful brilliance.

In addition to the waltzes there are a number of minuets and ecossaises, as well as an occasional galop or cotillon. But of special interest are the considerable number of Landler and Deutschetanze. The once-popular Austrian Landler was, like the waltz, in triple time, but with the accent on the second rather than the first beat, and rather slower. Schubert took advantage of the more leisurely tempo to provide richer harmonies than in his waltzes.

The German Dance is to be distinguished from the Landler by having its accent on the first beat, like the waltz, whose direct ancestor it is often considered to be. But like the Landler it was slower than the waltz, and likewise became extinct.
-Bill Parker

Conrad Graf was Vienna's most popular fortepiano builder. His first instruments were built when Beethoven was at the height of his fame; and during the last years of his life Beethoven owned such a fortepiano - an instrument still used for concert recordings at the Beethovenhous in Bonn, West Germany.

Schubert played on Graf's pianos at the social gatherings known as the Schubertiads. When Chopin came to Vienna in 1829 he wrote to his father that the Graf pianos were the finest in the world. Later, Clara Wieck came to Vienna, winning great acclaim from Viennese audiences and in 1840 Graf presented Robert and Clara Schumann with a magnificent grand piano as a wedding gift. Mendelssohn also praised the Graf pianos and thus we see a most important artistic link in the piano style of those years. Graf's pianos actually connect the Classical with the Romantic periods. Beethoven, Schubert, Mendelssohn and Brahms all had similar ideals and preferences in terms of piano tone and texture.

This was recorded on a 5 1/2 octave 1824 Graf piano.:

Have the heart of a gypsy, and the dedication of a soldier -Beethoven in Beethoven Lives Upstairs


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Originally posted by Vicky2:
Thank you Teo.

I think I will join the dance. UFO Angel2 Doggy

Vicky 2Hearts

Nice job Teo! You got them dancing! Laughing

Margherita, do you know how they dance to "Deutscher Tanze in C Sharp Minor(D643)?" I need tips! I have 2 left feet!

Here is more for The Merry Schubertiaden! TopHat
Schubert, An Intriduction To His Piano Works
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Schubert was born in Vienna in 1797. His father was a schoolmaster and an amatuer cellist. When he was 7, Schubert's father taught him to play the violin and his older brother Ignaz taught him the piano. He studied singing, counterpoint and organ playing with Michael Holzer, the parish organist, who said in later years that Schubert always seemed to know everything by instinct before he could teach it to him. At 11, Schubert was awarded a scholarship as a boarding student at the famous Vienna Imperial and Royal Seminary, which also trained choristers for the Royal chapel. He was a good student, and was always praised particularly for his musical abilities. He played violin, and conducted the school orchestra when the regular master was absent. He began composing under his teacher's direction, Antonio Salieri.

Schubert had the opportunity to hear performances of the great works of music. He was much impressed by Mozart's Magic Flute, Gluck's Iphigenia in Tauris and Beethoven's Fidelio. The music of Handel, both Joseph and Michael Haydn, Rossini and Cherubini also influenced him greatly.

After his voice changed, Schubert taught in his father's school, even though his true inclination was only to be a musician. He was not conscripted for military service because he was too short, about 5'1". During the teaching years, he continued to compose, writing songs, piano music and masses for the church. His comments in his diary reflect that he had also become somewhat of a philosopher. He wrote: "The heart is the ruler but the mind ought to be," and "Take people as they are, not as they should be."

When his friend, the poet Schober, offered him a place to live, Schubert was glad to give up teaching and to devote himself to composing. Aside from the summers of 1818 and 1824, spent at Count Esterhazy's estate in Hungary teaching music to the family, Schubert spent the remainder of his life in and near Vienna. He was too impoverished to marry the great love of his life, Theresa Grob, but never forgot her. Though he became fond of many others, he remained a bachelor.

On of the most influential of his many friends, the well-known operatic baritone Johann Michael Vogl, was instrumental in making Schubert's songs famous. It was he who sand the best known of all his sings, Erl King, making it instantly popular. The two became devoted to each other and Schubert said that their style of playing and singing together as co-interpreters rather than as soloist and accompanist was quite novel to the people who heard them. Vogl himself regarded Shubert's inspirations as "veritably divine." Vogl's performances contributed greatly to the interest the Viennese publishers began to take in Schubert's compositions. It is, sadly, a fact that his publishers often treated him badly, paying the smallest amounts possible for his works, publishing them in unauthorized arrangements, making alterations without consulting him and sometimes totally neglecting the important works. Schubert, probably because of his poverty and natural shyness, usually made little protest.

The warmth of affection his personality always generated towards his friends led to the Schubertiaden. These were evening musicales held by his wealthy friends in their lovely homes, and their purpose was to hear Schubert's music. Frequently, the finest singers of the day came to delight the audience with his newest songs, often with Schubert himself playing the accompaniments. The piano duets were popular and late in the evening Schubert would improvise piano music for dancing.

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Ornamentation in Schubert's music
During Schubert's lifetime, the earlier 18th century practice of adding improvised ornamentation in performance was gradually dying out. In a concert review of 1820, however, the writer complains that a singer "should not have troubled himself to ornament" one of Schubert's songs at the close "since he did it so badly." In general, only singers continued to add ornaments as late as Schubert's time. The performer need not feel obligated to add any to the pieces in the present volume, but those which Schubert wrote should not be omitted.

The style of performing certain ornaments was gradually changing throughout the 18th and 19th centuries, reflecting the changing style in composition. For a long time, however, both the old and new styles occurred side by side, and there are places where it is impossible to know definitely which style is intended.

Schubert himself wrote nothing about ornamentation, so far as is known. The writings of his contemporaries, Turk (1789), Adam Pe're (1798), Kalkbrenner (ca. 1800), Clementi (1801), Cramer (1810) and Hummel (1828) have been consulted and compared with the earlier writers, QUantz (1752), Marpurg (1756), C.P.E. Bach (1759) and Leopold Mozart (1787), The discussion which follows reflects both the older style where it still continued to be used, and the newer style which Schubert sometimes used. Schubert's contemporaries agree in all but very minor details. In particular, they agree that all ornaments are played on the beat, taking their time value from the main note which follows them. It was not until much later in the 19th century that ornaments customarily began to anticipate the beat, and editions printed during that time reflect the later custom. The realizations in light print in the present edition follow the custom which still prevailed during Schubert's lifetime, of performing all ornaments on the beat, unless they were specially written otherwise.


May it all work. Wow it does! Amen & Awomen.

Some of Schubert's work is very demanding for the piano, like the Wander-Fantasy. I like Schubert's music a lot especially his piano literature.

Clementi is another one who worked the sonata form in particular awfully well. It was a stunning period in music even before other evolutions came into play. It's all good.

Schubert's music is better than good - it's classical!

Thanks for the musicological insights and history. Applause
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Speaking of classical - in my current photo here you can see two student cellos and one Steinway. Where is the Steinway? They don't make cellos.

To see the Steinway you'd have to know that the child to my right Hank Chapin is Betty Steinway's oldest son.

It was a trick question, I know.

Betty Steinway (Chapin) had four "& Sons":

Hank (to my right), Sam and Ted (the twins) and Miles Chapin who appeared in the movie version of Hair and in the film French Postcards as likable characters in both.

Schuyler Chapin - Hank's Pa, was the president of the Metropolitan Opera for years in addition to heading Columbia's classical division for many years too. I went to the Met once with Hank and sat in Schuyler's box seats to see Don Giovanni starring Leontyne Price - who proved to be ill that day.

Her understudy as Dona Elvira was Syd Charisse who had a t.v. show around then in NY and I only knew of her in that context. I was surprised that she gave a wonderful performance. I didn't know she did classical.

Years later I learned she was a colorful character and personality of Funky Broadway.

I like the midi sample of the German Dance. You've managed to write in the accelerandos and ritards. Cool! TopHat
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Originally posted by yogionefromobie:
I like the midi sample of the German Dance. You've managed to write in the accelerandos and ritards. Cool! TopHat

oooooh noooooo.... I haven't been MIDI'ing in a while.. I play into my yamaha PSR 520 and once in a while go into SONG RECORD mode and record it right into the keyboard... it's not a real piano of course, but hey, everything is a balance - I get to explore various harpsichord sounds (with sustain ha ha!!! Laughing harpsichords don't HAVE sustain!) and in this particular song... boyo.. I am a nerd..

The first verse is "clean" or "dry." I switched on "DSP" before the second verse.. (digital signal processing - a type of reverb you can probably hear the change!) I can't help being a techno-nerd! Aaaaah! Aaah Googly

But I notice that some other people play the trill BEFORE THE BEAT and this book specifies ON THE BEAT... OK my nerdliness has a use hum? he he.. Tongue

Deutchen Danzen or something fun sounding in German.. fun!

Love and light being, Teo Do (Re, Mi...) Doggy Doggy Doggy

Have the heart of a gypsy, and the dedication of a soldier -Beethoven in Beethoven Lives Upstairs

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