...This question has many different sides to it. First of all what does immortal mean? Are you speaking of absolute immortality or do you admit different degrees? If for instance after the death of the body something remains which lives for some time preserving its consciousness, can this be called immortality or not? Or let us put it this way: how long a period of such existence is necessary for it to be called immortality?...

...He again used the Eastern comparison of man with a carriage, horse, driver, and master..

...Man is a complex organization consisting of four parts which may be connected or unconnected, or badly connected. The carriage is connected with the horse by shafts, the horse is connected with the driver by reins, and the driver is connected with the master's voice. But the driver must hear and understand the master's voice. He must know how to drive and the horse must be trained to obey the reins. As to the relation between the horse and the carriage, the horse must be properly harnessed. Thus there are three connections between the four sections of this complex organization. If something is lacking in one of the connections, the organization cannot act as a single whole. The connections are therefore no less important than the actual 'bodies.' Working on himself man works simultaneously on the 'bodies' and the 'connections.' But it is different work...

...As you see, there exist four quite different situations. In one case all the functions are controlled by the physical body. It is active; in relation to it everything else is passive. In another case the second body has power over the physical. In the third case the 'mental' body has power over the 'astral' and the physical. And in the last case the fourth body has power over the first three. We have seen before that in man of physical body only, exactly the same order of relationship is possible between his various functions. The physical functions may control feeling, thought and consciousness. Feeling may control the physical functions. Thought may control the physical functions and feeling. And consciousness may control the physical function, feeling, and thought.

In man of two, three, and four bodies, the most active body also lives the longest, that is, it is 'immortal' in relation to a lower body.

This is ordinary man, man number one, two, three and four. He has only the physical body. The physical body dies and nothing is left of it. The physical body is composed of earthly material and at death it returns to earth. It is dust to dust and it returns. It is impossible to talk of any kind of 'immortality' for a man of this sort. But if a man has the second body, this body is composed of material of the planetary world and it can survive the death of the physical body. It is not immortal in the full sense of the word, because after a certain period of time it also dies. But at any rate it does not die with the physical body.

If a man has a third body, it is commposed of material of the sun and it can exist after the death of the 'astral' body.

it is composed of material of the starry world, that is, of material that does not belong to the solar system, and therefore, if it has crystallized within the limits of the solar system there is nothing within this system that could destroy it. This means that a man possessing the fourth body is immortal within the limits of the solar system.

You see, therefore, why it is impossible to answer at once the question: Is man immortal or not? One man is immortal, another is not, a third tries to become immortal, a fourth considers himself immortal and is, therefore, simply a lump of flesh.

From "In Search of the Miraculous" p91-94



May humanity raise to it's highest potentials. And so it is! Amen.

Lovebeams, Teo Wink
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Thank you Teo,
This will take a great deal of thought.

Man dies every moment from the time of birth;
when the will to live disappears, he dies again,
and again when the soul separates from the body.
Spirit is the only thing that remains.

Love, Inda
Hi Teo1,

Liked the writing. I was thinking about you this morning dawning. Anyway I was directed to this book for a reading for you. Just happened to be a bookmark still in from years ago. So I'm hopin this reading fits you Now, I have no idea.

SOLITUDE AND GOD-GETTING
From the book: "Meister Eckhart, from Whom god Hid Nothing"

" I was asked this question: some people shun all company and like to be alone; their peace depends upon it. Would they not be better in the bosom of the church? I said no, and you shall see why. The righteous man is righteous still in any place and any company, and the unrighteous man is unrighteous still in every place and in all company. The righteous man truly has God in him. But one who truly has God will have him in all places, in the street and in the world no less than in the church, in the dessert or the cell. If he has gotten him indeed and gotten him cause having gotten God alone, he is ever bearing God alone in mind, is pregnant with God in all his acts as well as in all places, and all his works are being done by God....

So far if we give our whole mind to God, then it is he in fact who is doing all our works, and nothing whatever can disturb the man who minds nothing, seeks nothing, relishes nothing but God, for God is united with this man in all his thoughts, and as God is not disturbed by any multiplicity, so nothing can disturb or diversify this man who is one in THE ONE where all mutiplicity is one and homogeneous...."

[Meister Eckart (1260-1327) was a German Dominican priest whose preaching was immensely popular in his own time and whose writings form a huge part of the foundation of the Western mystical tradition. Though he was condemned and excommunicated by the Catholic Church at the end of his life, his influence on seekers from a range of spiritual traditions has remained strong to this day.]

UFO

Love to You, SeaAira
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Interesting topic.

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You see, therefore, why it is impossible to answer at once the question: Is man immortal or not? One man is immortal, another is not, a third tries to become immortal, a fourth considers himself immortal and is, therefore, simply a lump of flesh.
Interesting post.
Thank you again Teo, for sharing the message.

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You see, therefore, why it is impossible to answer at once the question: Is man immortal or not? One man is immortal, another is not, a third tries to become immortal, a fourth considers himself immortal and is, therefore, simply a lump of flesh.


...Man is a complex organization consisting of four parts which may be connected or unconnected, or badly connected. The carriage is connected with the horse by shafts, the horse is connected with the driver by reins, and the driver is connected with the master's voice. But the driver must hear and understand the master's voice. He must know how to drive and the horse must be trained to obey the reins. As to the relation between the horse and the carriage, the horse must be properly harnessed. Thus there are three connections between the four sections of this complex organization. If something is lacking in one of the connections, the organization cannot act as a single whole. The connections are therefore no less important than the actual 'bodies.' Working on himself man works simultaneously on the 'bodies' and the 'connections.' But it is different work...

 

Interesting topic. I will think about it some more.

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